Health and Welfare of your HPR Gundog

[petermac]

.... with a UK bred Deutsch Drahthaar that I wish to take to Germany to VDD organised events ..... undocked dogs are not allowed (though I believe they are in JGHV organised events in Germany).

Yes, you can compete with an undocked GWP at the VJP and HZP, even VGP of the Jagd Gebrauchs Hunde Verein.

Thanks for confirming that, as I said I believed that it is possible to enter events organised by a JGHV group with an undocked dog, even in Germany.

The issue to be aware of is that an undocked dog still cannot enter the Hegewald, any VJP, HZP or VGP run by any of the VDD groups in Germany, you cannot attend a VDD organised stud show either so the dog can never get accepted on to the VDD Stud Register as I think it has to be graded at a VDD stud show. It can still be 'Zuchtauglich' ie. eligible for breeding if it passes the required JGHV tests, I think, but not on the register.

I am pretty sure that inside Germany the VDD will also not allow an undocked litter to be registered at all, though they will outside Germany. I am not sure even if they would allow a single undocked dog in a VDD litter of docked dogs inside Germany.

Has anyone ever managed to get an undocked VDD Drahthaar bred in Germany - I do not think it is possible.

Do you know if this is correct Leon ?

Peter

[aevita]

That is true and the stupid thing is that the JGHV VJP was the day after the VDD , in the same field, with the same judges, so it is pure political. That because the VDD has the opinion that a working dog has to be docked, and does not want to give any opportunity to people to say :"look there is an undocked working dog on your trials.

Leon

[aevita]

about the breeding I have no possibility to know of undocked dogs. I have seen some undocked from Germany on the Bundessieger, but they were not entered, but just visiterdogs. So I do not know wheter they had pedegrees.

Leon

[Maxine]

Well Hi you did it

Yes I think most of us HPR folk would like to be able to carry on docking to save any damage but our stupid government clearly have nothing better to do other than make up stupid laws that are of no benefit to the working gundog.

How about some pictures of those lovely puppies

Maxine

[hpr-mad]

Hi,
I am totally against not ' HAVING FREEDOM TO CHOOSE'.

I don't have GWP's at the moment, but have weimaraners and gsp's.
I have a docked 9 month old gsp which was docked legally as I want to trial her.
I qualified for Crufts with her last week, and I automatically stated the comment I have always said with all my dogs...'Okay, she's qualified, I don't need to show her again'. Then it dawned on me that she can't go to Crufts anyway.
This is the problem with the docking ban, the small time dog enthusiast who has no space for 10 undocked and 10 docked dogs to work and show. I have decided it is financially stupid to keep on showing. What for? I would love to get her stud book number, but already in the GSP ring the undocked dogs are being placed over docked dogs. It is creating a split, and in my opinion the way that breeding will have to go in this country for good tail carriage is that temperment will be of little consideration over conformation in the show people and vice versa in the working people.

What the government and most people fail to realise if you are breeding a litter for conformation only and don't care about working ability, temperament will suffer. If a show breeder only keeps one 'show puppy', what happens to the other 7 or 8 who are sold to pet homes? Are these the ones whose temperament will become so bad that they either bite, or can't be controlled? They will end up pts or bounced from home to home. The working dogs will become less and less popular, but at least the government got votes.

It is different abroad, from what I understand not many countries can have places where they are hunted through thick brambles, gorse, treees and scrub as well as an open field all in the space of 1/4 mile. This is the reality here and we will get tail injuries.

My weimaraner puppy is 16 weeks old, has a full tail because I felt the litter would be of sufficient quality to show and win. She is a monumental tail wagger, and when she is out with the other dogs she does have a high hunting drive. She beats her tail in brambles and already there are marks on the end of it.

The bigest point that most people have missed is the noise and vibration caused by wagging a full tail. Believe me if there was anything in the location before she went in, once she starts wagging her tail they won't stay around for long.

But folks, the big issue is that the public are becoming drones, doing as they are told with no thought for others. I am so fed up being told this is what I am going to do by people who have probably never stood in mud and feed foxes at the end of their garden.

Due to the hunting ban, our vets have noticed a 150% rise in dogs having skin complaints caused by fox mange. The sick foxes are not being culled but are fed by do-gooders who have no idea what they are doing.

Anyway rant over.

My weimaraner is not fortunate to have fur on her tail, she has the best tail carriage I have seen because I bred for this knowing she would not be docked, but I really feel at some point it will be injured. I will not lock her away and stop her hunting as she would have a miserable life.

The icing on the cake is that if she does have a tail injury requiring amputation, it is classed as tail docking and she will revert to 'being a docked dog ' and will then no longer be able to be shown where the public pay to get into ie Crufts.

This is so wrong. So you dock at birth and can't be shown, or you lose your tail through an injury and still can't be shown. It is this that confirms my opinion the people who brought this act in are completely mad and not in the real world.

Sue

[mojo]

A friend of mine has a year old wire viz with tail and she has already damaged the end of her tail and she doesn't even work!! Its going to be interesting to see how many amputations are going to be needed because of these interfering do-gooders!!
Maureen